[06:31] <Diablo-D3> damnit
[06:31] <Diablo-D3> I hate gundam
[06:31] <Diablo-D3> the only way to solve the space combat problem is m particles
[06:44] <MrBrown> kabuto is getting worse :/
[06:44] <MrBrown> the ost wasn't that good either
[06:48] * Diablo-D3 throws things at tomino
[06:55] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[06:55] <Diablo-D3> Mark064: still here?
[06:56] <Diablo-D3> whem amuro was fighting ramba, and he used a beamsaber to cut the cockpit open, why didnt ramba die?
[06:56] <l33tc4k30fd00m> magic
[07:00] <Diablo-D3> So, hrm
[07:00] <Diablo-D3> Im going to have to copy m particles
[07:02] <Nagiko> So what brings on THIS excessively long and randomly-occurring outburst?  =/
[07:02] <Diablo-D3> Nagiko: which?
[07:02] <Nagiko> Yours.
[07:02] <Diablo-D3> I mean which, Ramba surviving, or me copying m paritcles?
[07:03] <Nagiko> This entire "boohoo Gundam sucks for being science fiction drama!" spiel you suddenly exploded into over the past eight minutes.
[07:04] <Nagiko> Scratch that, past half-hour.
[07:04] <Diablo-D3> no, tomino sucks for capitalizing on the only way to deal with space comabt
[07:05] <Nagiko> So you're saying a science fiction cartoon sucks for being science fiction?
[07:05] <Diablo-D3> Nagiko: are you being funny?
[07:05] <Diablo-D3> where did I say gundam sucks for being science fiction?
[07:05] <Nagiko> No.  You're not making any sense, and that's as much sense as I can gather from what you're saying.
[07:06] <Diablo-D3> you do know what m particles do, right?
[07:06] <Nagiko> "Oh boohoo, they created some fictitious particle so that they could have space combat.  They're being fictional and that's WRONG!"
[07:06] <Diablo-D3> no, try again Nagiko 
[07:07] <Diablo-D3> Im pissed because there isnt another solution
[07:07] <Nagiko> Please clarify.
[07:07] <Nagiko> You're still not making any sense.
[07:07] <Diablo-D3> in space combat, with a gundam, which produces a lot of waste heat, your position is instantly known
[07:08] <Diablo-D3> the only thing that keeps mobile suits alive is that they're extremely fast and very hard to compensate weapons aim or even track
[07:08] <Diablo-D3> but the heat issue applies to everything else
[07:08] <Diablo-D3> lets say you were the whole way at pluto with a space ship
[07:08] <Diablo-D3> and traveling on a constant path
[07:09] <Diablo-D3> ("a straight line", but this applies to orbits as well)
[07:09] <Diablo-D3> using _today's_ technology, I can accurately track you, and send a projectile out to destroy your sihp
[07:10] <Diablo-D3> for example, you can see the space shuttle's main rocket engines the whole way out at pluto
[07:10] <Diablo-D3> and their manuvering jets the whole way out to mars
[07:10] <Diablo-D3> m particles, of course, make long range tracking an impossibility
[07:10] <Diablo-D3> a fog of war of sorts
[07:10] <Diablo-D3> so there isn't another solution.
[07:11] <Diablo-D3> atleast, none I've thought of or come across
[07:11] <Nagiko> ...another solution to what?  You still just sound pissed that Gundam is science fiction.
[07:11] <Diablo-D3> another solution to the space combat problem
[07:11] <Nagiko> You're acting like one of those guys who harasses William Shatner at a convention about how the Enterprise generates gravity.  =/
[07:11] <Diablo-D3> Nagiko: er?
[07:12] <Diablo-D3> Nagiko: I'm writting a science fiction story of my own, where have you been?
[07:12] * Nagiko sighs and buries his face in his hands.
[07:12] <Diablo-D3> I want space combat, but I can't figure out a way to make it half way believable without just making it impossible.
[07:12] <Nagiko> YOU'RE ANALYZING PHYSICS IN A YOUNG BOYS' CARTOON FROM THE 19-GODDAMN-70S!
[07:12] <Diablo-D3> Nagiko: so?
[07:13] <Nagiko> It speaks for itself.
[07:13] <Diablo-D3> gundam is one of the few series that atleast tackles these problems.
[07:13] <Nagiko> Jesus.
[07:13] <Nagiko> And then you're GETTING PISSED AT THE CARTOON over it.
[07:13] <Diablo-D3> no
[07:13] <Diablo-D3> Im getting pissed at a person
[07:13] <Diablo-D3> theres a difference.
[07:14] <Nagiko> So you're GETTING PISSED AT THE GUY WHO MADE THE CARTOON because he's too busy WRITING A CHILD'S DRAMA 'TOON to give it proper physics.
[07:14] <Nagiko> That's still pathetic.
[07:14] <Diablo-D3> wow, thats quite insulting to tomino, Nagiko 
[07:15] <Nagiko> No, it's being frank.
[07:15] <Diablo-D3> also, thats pretty much what he did, he gave it believable physics
[07:15] <Nagiko> No, he didn't.
[07:16] <Diablo-D3> m particles is a brillant solution to the problem
[07:16] <Nagiko> He invented a catchall made-up particle to explain everything that could never happen in the real world.
[07:16] <Nagiko> That's not believable.
[07:16] <Diablo-D3> actually, it is
[07:16] <Nagiko> That's mitichlorians for physics.
[07:16] <Diablo-D3> I just don't know why he made it a physics particle.
[07:17] <Diablo-D3> but thats not whats the issue here, Nagiko 
[07:17] <Diablo-D3> he solved the problem perfectly
[07:18] <Nagiko> He invented a handy excuse.  That's all.
[07:18] <Diablo-D3> but thats what war is, Nagiko 
[07:18] <Nagiko> It's not perfect.  It's an easy out he can point to whenever some nerd like you bitches about something not working like it does in real life.
[07:18] <Diablo-D3> Nagiko: are you an idiot or something?
[07:18] <Diablo-D3> You need to quit obsessing over things.
[07:19] <Nagiko> ...
[07:19] <Nagiko> YOU'RE THE ONE OVER-ANALYZING THIS SHIT.
[07:19] <Diablo-D3> Yes, and I'm writting hard scifi! Whats your excuse?
[07:19] <Nagiko> My excuse for what?  What am I obsessing over?
[07:19] <Diablo-D3> Over the fact a kid's show has physics
[07:20] <Nagiko> Dude, YOU'RE the one going on long spiels about how cartoon physics work.
[07:20] <Nagiko> And then you're bitching about how a show sucks or its creator sucks or whatever because of it.
[07:20] <Diablo-D3> Yes, and, as an author, I actually have to analyze such things.
[07:22] <Nagiko> As an author, you have to suddenly start ranting in a chatroom about how someone before you created the "perfect cartoon physics" and how his show sucks for it because he's magically bakrupted you creatively for it?
[07:22] <Diablo-D3> Next you'll be bitching that stargate has stargates, startrek has warp drives, and star wars has hyperspace
[07:22] <Nagiko> No, I won't.
[07:22] <Diablo-D3> why? because its the same thing
[07:22] <Diablo-D3> good concepts for a story.
[07:23] <Diablo-D3> hell, stargates are the most realistic design for wormhole travel (though the whole "whoosh" and water effect is unrealistic)
[07:23] <Nagiko> You're the one who came in here moaning about Minovsky particles.  I'm simply trying to set you straight that, yes, they ARE like Stargates and Warp Drives and all that bullshit technology.  Science FICTION that doesn't NEED a logical, real-world explanation BECAUSE it's fiction.
[07:23] <Diablo-D3> then you've failed at science fiction, Nagiko 
[07:23] <Nagiko> It's FICTION, escapist FICTION that's used as a backdrop for a good, dramatic, adventurous romp.
[07:24] <Diablo-D3> Nagiko: uh, no
[07:24] <Diablo-D3> you're confusing science fiction with space opera.
[07:24] <Nagiko> So you're saying the focus isn't on the story and characters, but on the itty bitty background details like how this gate or that bit of space dust works?
[07:24] <Diablo-D3> yes, as I mentioned earlier, its hard scifi
[07:25] <Nagiko> It's a textbook on things that don't exist.
[07:25] <Diablo-D3> hard scifi involves things that actually could be
[07:25] <Diablo-D3> or even space opera gets it right a lot
[07:26] <Diablo-D3> look at buck roger's space ship
[07:26] <Diablo-D3> thanks to him, we now have space shuttles
[07:26] <Diablo-D3> or kirk's communicator
[07:26] <Diablo-D3> cell phones.
[07:26] <Nagiko> So it's a speculative essay.  In which case, why don't you research actual physics texts and hypothesize off of that instead of a cartoon written by an unbalanced Japanese cartoonist?
[07:26] <Diablo-D3> Nagiko: like I said, I'm looking for potential solutions to the space combat problem
[07:27] <Diablo-D3> m particles happen to actually work.
[07:29] <Nagiko> A particle that somehow turns space combat into something more akin to mid-twentieth century naval warfare with flying robots...the exact properties of which are never canonically explained, it just EXISTS and that was as far as we were ever expected to go with it because the point was to have a burning shounen hero fly a robot in space.
[07:29] <Nagiko> ...
[07:29] <Nagiko> Whatever.  Have fun.
[07:29] <l33tc4k30fd00m> Magikarp is right sry dude
[07:29] <l33tc4k30fd00m> it's just an anime
[07:29] <Diablo-D3> l33tc4k30fd00m: so?
[07:29] <l33tc4k30fd00m> cool thine jets
[07:30] <l33tc4k30fd00m> so post your tits
[07:30] <Diablo-D3> thats like saying japan isnt allowed to think because they're yellow.
[07:30] <Nagiko> ...WHAT!?
[07:30] <Diablo-D3> Nagiko: go troll elsewhere, kthx.
[07:30] <Nagiko> That comparison doesn't connect on WAY too many levels.
[07:31] <l33tc4k30fd00m> i don't think he's trolling dude
[07:31] <Nagiko> You're comparing racial prejudice to...what...overanalyzing something that doesn't exi--WHAT!?
[07:31] <Diablo-D3> l33tc4k30fd00m: I'm pretty sure he is.
[07:31] <l33tc4k30fd00m> whatever i don't care later
[07:32] <Nagiko> Look, dude.  You're planning on writing some scientifically "accurate" science fiction.  So instead of looking up relevant texts on space physics or looking to credible sources, you're ripping off an imaginary microscopic bit from a campy 70s super robot show and saying "THIS is the answer."
[07:33] <Nagiko> That.  Makes.  No.  Sense.
[07:33] <Diablo-D3> Nagiko: why are you continuing to harp on the fact its a physics particle?
[07:34] <Nagiko> I'm simply saying that you're reading too much into it, and might be better served looking up more credible sources if you're looking to create "hard sci fi" with real-world potential.  How that compares to me being racist against Asians is BEYOND me, but what-the-fuck-ever.
[07:34] <Nagiko> Like I said.  Have fun.
[07:35] <Nagiko> For what it's worth, your coming in here yelling "GUNDAM SUCKS I THROEW THINGS AT TOMINO!" is a lot closer to trolling than anything I've done.
[07:35] <Nagiko> But whatever.
[07:35] <Nagiko> Enjoy your delusion.