
Late last week I finished playing through the first episode of this. I thoroughly enjoyed it, and will be starting episode 2 ASAP. I realise that I’m extremely late to the party and pretty much everyone’s already talked this one to death probably, but I thought I’d jot down a few thoughts. Naturally this is going to have spoilers for episode 1 so if you don’t want to be spoiled then don’t read. Additionally I’d really appreciate it if people who have played subsequent episodes would please not make knowing comments or whatever, or spoil the coming installments.
Additionally I already know that I’m completely wrong about everything.
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First off, I want to take a quick second to be an ungrateful whiney asshole and complain about my free translation. I noticed a few grammatical errors which were a bit distracting because they were repeated more than once. The major one was referring to servants, esp. Genji, as being someone’s ‘aid’. ‘Aid’ is a verb (except in the case of a ‘visual aid’ or a ‘hearing aid’ or the like). The word that was being searched for is ‘aide’ but it doesn’t make sense in that context, so it should really just be ‘assistant’.
The one that really irritated me though was Battler’s constant references to ‘turning the chess board over’. I’m not sure if it’s a literal translation and the Japanese actually says exactly that or not. If it does I guess that there’s no escaping it. But the phrase doesn’t make sense as it’s given in the translation - if I turn a chess board over then I will dump all the pieces on the ground. The whole point with the chess analogy is that there are two ‘ends’ to the board, the black and the white. Battler’s phrase is referring to viewing the situation from the opponent’s end of the board. So rather than turning it over he is mentally turning the board around. Semantics, I know, but it doesn’t make sense otherwise.
Actually, the references to game theory seemed a bit out of left field. Battler’s suddenly talking about the holes in his chessboard mentality are not quite accurate either. He’s right in that the analysis assumes that both players always choose the optimal move, however the reason for that is that if one player makes a sub-optimal move, in the case of a zero-sum game this will result in the other player winning. Which is actually what happens when the remaining survivors decide to leave the study. However the fact that game theory has been mentioned several times in this episode leads me to believe that the author believes that using it will help figure things out. We should probably assume that ‘Beatrice’ will always choose optimal moves. There are some more fundamental questions we have to ask first, regarding the nature of the ‘game’. Is it a zero-sum game, for example? It appears to be on the surface, but I have my doubts, primarily because different characters stand to gain more or less. The other thing that’s interesting is that solving the riddle properly will require cooperation, but given that this is essentially a winner-takes-it-all game, cooperation is a sub-optimal strategy as you stand to gain nothing.
I, like Battler, am still unconvinced that Beatrice really exists. She certainly provides a workable explanation, but I’m not sure that there can’t be a plausible explanation for anything that happens. The major sticking point is the chained door, as there seems to be no workable explanation for that, at least not yet. The best I could come up with is that the killer was already in the room somehow. I just can’t accept that the whole thing is the work of a supernatural witch, as if it was then, among other things, there would be no need to kill people with physical objects. Additionally there are several situations where there is reason to believe somebody was physically present, such as Kanon’s death - why would the door to the courtyard be open otherwise? It gives the strong impression that there was a physical person present at that time. The golden butterflies phenomenon is more of a sticking point, however Higurashi had a similar phenomenon, maggots in the flesh. There’s no reason why this couldn’t be something similar. What I’m suggesting is that we should take a lesson from the author’s previous work and accept that we may not be able to rely upon the characters’ perceptions. It should also be pointed out that all the characters who died were in a heightened emotional state.
There are a lot of questions still completely unanswered about Beatrice. It’s clear that a woman named Beatrice may have once existed - Kinzo’s obsession with her suggests strongly that she was alive once. So at this point in the story, she appears to be dead, and Kinzo’s black magic ritual was intended to revive her. This means her physical manifestation - delivering the letter to Maria onwards - is a bit problematic. If she was able to do that then she’s not dead and is able to interact with the real world, so why does she need to be revived? There are several times when other characters also suggest that they can actually see her, the best example being when Battler is in the kitchen with Maria and the servants, and they all act like Beatrice is standing right there with them. That whole seen was strikingly odd. Additionally, wouldn’t being ‘revived’ as a physical being be limiting? She seems to be more powerful in her formless state, assuming that she exists at all. Finally there’s the suggestion that in order to be fully revived, everyone involved must believe that she exists. This seems like it’s pretty significant - her existence is contingent on people believing she exists. Does this mean that if no one believes she exists, she would be completely powerless?
Questions also remain about the riddle. It’s a bit odd. There are a couple of important questions. First, who is it written by? Is it Kinzo or Beatrice? Is the resolution of the second part (everyone dies) part of the riddle, or what will happen if they don’t solve it? It doesn’t make sense that it would be written from Kinzo’s perspective, it seems more likely that we should interpret it from the perspective of Beatrice, but Beatrice as Kinzo knew her. Beatrice-the-woman, rather than Beatrice-the-golden-witch. We really need to know more about her.
As far as we can tell Beatrice-the-woman was a real person, Kinzo’s mistress who died at some point. If this is the case then there may be other ‘heirs’ to Kinzo’s riches. There are also suggestions that he supports an orphanage - the orphanage that Kanon and Shannon (and Genji?) all grew up in. While the probability is admittedly low, it has to be suggested that there’s actually an outside chance that Genji could be the son of Beatrice and Kinzo. I have never seen an official age for him, so I am assuming that Kinzo is in his 80s - he was described as having been born in the Meiji period (which was 1868 to 1913) and that he took over as the head of the family following the great Kanto earthquake (1924) and if we assume that he was at least 20 at that point, then he would have been born in in 1904 at the latest, which means he should be around 82 in 1986. Genji describes himself as having served Kinzo for over 30 years, and if we assume that he came from the orphanage like Kanon and Shannon, at around the same age, then this would place Genji in his early 50s. The gap between their ages if my assumptions are correct means that Genji being Kinzo’s illegitimate son is plausible. But probably way off. It certainly would give him a motive, and makes his constant stoicism seem very suspicious.
Returning to the problem with Eva’s closed room scenario. In the Tea Party segment at the end of the game, Beatrice displays how she would have killed the pair through the chained door, firing evil head-seeking devil spike missiles through the door. I think it’s a weak explanation personally. It certainly works, if you assume that a supernatural explanation is acceptable. However if Beatrice is such a powerful supernatural being, then why would she be constrained by a chain on a door? She is supposed to be amorphous and without physical form beyond clouds of golden butterflies. We’ve only seen her to be seemingly constrained by doors once, and in that case it was because Natsuhi had wrapped a magical ward around the door handle. Why couldn’t she pass through the chained door directly? Why did she have to stand outside, open the door a crack and fire things through the opening, unless she is as corporeal as everyone else? And if she’s constrained by a physical door like that, then isn’t she just a normal person? Battler challenged her to come up with an impossible scenario, and she created a scenario that is seemingly impossible, but not necessarily completely so. It strikes me for example that a strong enough magnet in the right place could probably be used to slide the chain back and forward, assuming that the chain is made of steel. I’m sure there are other ways to open them. Once you’re in, it’s easy enough to close it from the other side and then hide somewhere, or simply go out the window - I seem to recall someone saying that the windows could only be opened from the inside, meaning that they’re essentially one-way. There’s also the possibility that whoever the murderer was was known to Eva, and that she actually let them into the room, chaining it behind them. That’s actually probably the most plausible explanation.
Another thing which I’m still struggling with is the appearance of the letter in the study. We’re clearly meant to believe that it was not placed there and instead appeared by ‘magic’. But this is problematic, because we had previously been told that the study was the most secure location because it had an anti-magic ward placed on it. It was impossible for Beatrice to pass through that door. This assertion is also backed up by the fact that Natsuhi survived the first night despite someone apparently having tried to get through her door. So if that’s the case, how did she get a letter into the room? Even if we assume that magic has a different set of rules, this action seems to contradict the rules we’ve been told. The only plausible explanation is that the letter was planted by someone in the room, or that the letter itself was some kind of shared delusion and didn’t exist. Also, there is the outstanding issue that Kinzo managed to be removed from the room without the door having been opened.
The final puzzling piece is the epilogue. It states that when the police arrived they found the remains of the whole family, but they could never identify who was who, except for a segment of Maria’s jaw which was identified via dental records. While it’s true that the initial murders were pretty gristly and Kinzo’s body was only identifiable because he had twelve toes, this doesn’t bear out with what we saw of the fallen. Most of them should have been very much identifiable, having only been staked. Could the actual culprit subsequently destroyed the bodies, jumbling the remains up and making them impossible to identify to hide the fact that they were still alive? The fact that Maria’s was the only remains that were identifiable seems to be highly suspicious to me, in fact given her supremely creepy second personality (even Kinzo suggested that there was something seriously odd about her) I’d say that this is incredibly suspicious. Additionally the epilogue acts as if the entire family was wiped out, however several times Battler mentions he has a sister, but I got the impression she was a bit of a black sheep. I wonder if she might have been involved with events somehow.
There are a ton of questions at this point and it’s all pure speculation. I’m going to try and get to the second episode this week, hopefully it will answer a few niggles. And I know it’s probably going to completely destroy all my theories and ideas and make me go back and make entirely new, crazy theories. Which is fine by me.
Just a little spoiler, indeed Battler has a younger sister, and I *think* she was introduced in the epilogue of the third episode, all grown up.
Hi, I’m the translator for the Witch Hunt. Thanks for checking this game out.
We’ve been doing a massive overhaul for the earlier games, especially the first one, which was full of typos. We’ve already noticed that little bit about the ‘aid’s, including an ‘aide’ that should have been ‘aid’. These should be fixed in the next patch, in a few weeks.
The thing about turning over the chessboard is literally what they say. It can also mean turning it inside-out or knocking it over, but we liked the first one best.
Basically means turning things around, but more dramatic than simply ’spin the board’.
They were very minor gripes, to be honest. You’ve done an excellent job. I had a suspicion about the turning the board analogy being a direct translation, and if that’s the case then you guys have done the right thing by keeping it accurate to the original text.
I’m currently about halfway into episode 2 and enjoying it immensely.
ok i see what your saying sir but if i may i would like to turn the chessboard as Battler would put it. first of all his phrase( on a side note i dont assume to know every thing im just stating my stand point on this should you feel the need to confront me all the better aslong as it intailes to this subject) yes as the gentalmen above my comment stated about its meaning for the japs is true but i belive Battler does not use it in that senes he infact from what iv noticed in more to the way of thinking and seeing through your enemy or opponent to knock over or distroy a mental block in your way to victory and or answer to a problem.
now as for the golden witch yes you made a lote of good points about her means of being real and why she needs reserection as well as her implacations stating that she is the criminal that killed his family with magic.
however try looking at it this way that the golden witch does exist and she didnt cause the murdders!. ill explain for one as we all notice there are alote of moments in there when it seems magic is the only solution to explain what happend and at other times magic has not say cause its easy to point out how the killer did it but these to notions lead me to think what if the whitch does exist but like she told maria that magic is there to help people yet with the same token shes not a witch yet until she can get accepted as a witch im sure u know where im going with this. my thought is that she is not in anyway the reason why they died but rather she is useing there death as a ends to a means in short she is useing it to convice battler that she did it and magic is real and so are witches to be fully reserected in the minds of people there for she will be real this goes along with the basis that magic is based on belive and thought so if you belive it then it must be true no! as for the other half of my point the real killer is indeed a human there is no 19th person but rather fabricated to stay hidden if you think about it the story of the witch makes a good cover up and as i for got to state that Battler is also dead as hard as that seems with the story hes dead ill get to that in a second. so the killer is human has killed everyone in the house however there are still 2 family memmbers left alive one is Battlers sister Ange who was with his grandparents back in the citys and the other is the one that raised her Eva the aunt of Battler and mother to his cousin George. ill leave it at that on how shes involed as you already know she was on the Island when they all got killed as for Battler he is dead because from Ange she states he is cause she grew up with out him as he was a Victom in killings along with Maria the reason why he seems alive is like i said asume that magic dose exist or an after life if you will and hes talking to the witch cause she found him interesting that inspite of all the killings that where to farfeched to belive he denied her proclaiming that it wasnt the work of magic or witches but of humans hence why the so-called game is in play to prove each other wrong if she wins battler must admit that he is wrong and shes responsable thus allowing her to be revieded as almighty witch and as for battler he belives that if he wins that the nightmare ends and no one dies thats the stakes( btw as for battlers no one dies thing im just stating it like that cause thats all it seems hes after to stop the delusions and catch the criminal)
That is my *Turning the chessboard* view on the matter that magic is real she does exist in spirt not pysical form the murrders where carried out by Eva useing the witches story as scapcoat *btw she has alote of motive more so then Genji do to her child hood* and killed Battler and Maria along with the family will the witch keeps there spirts with her out of pitty and as a means to restore her existence to some degree where she will be accepted as a full witch
Hi, i just want to through my 2 cents about this episode… I have been watching the anime and i just decided to give a try to the games and just finished playing the first episode. I will admit that some of the conclusions i reached after watching the anime up to now, but i think they could be reached with just the first eps anyway, so i will tell them here
I believe that someone is doing all the murders in this eps. But no one but a group of people working together. I do suspect of Kinzo, Nanjo, Genji, Gonha and maybe even Natsumi is into this. Maybe there is even 2 different groups of killers working for their own reasons.
I do believe someone from the first 6 death people is alive. 4 of the 6 bodies found could only be identified by the clothes they were wearing, therefore, i believe there is a possibility that bodies were prepared beforehand and dressed up as one of the relatives or servants, and just placed there. The only one with forensic skills to know how long have they been dead is Nanjo, and he could lie. I do believe Gonha is probably alive somewhere else.
About Eva and Hideoshi, well, when i think of this closet room murder where it would have been “impossible” for anyone outside to commit the murders and then shut the windows and the door, that reminds me of something i saw in some Sherlock Homes movie a long while ago. He said in a similar case in that movie that “When every possibility seen impossible, then the impossible becomes a possibility”. I do believe the murderer is still in that room. She is eather hidden somewhere like under the bed or the closet (it is not like anyone checked the room) or one or both of the death could be faking it. Only really Nanjo checked the bodies.
About Kinzos death, well, we never see him die, and even so it appears indisputable that the body found at the heather was his, it could have always been prepared beforehand. Even if it rare to find someone with his particular anatomy, Kinzo do have the resources to find him.
About the letter at the table in the study, well, i do believe someone from the group put it there, and i am stronly beginning to believe it was Natsumi, being her the only one that make a fuss about not being there when she put the cans of the table.
And to end this, i believe that the letter that Maria gave at the beginning was found by her and not giving to her. Maybe with another letter saying it came from Beatrice, and what to do with it. She is probably very gullible because her strong believe that the witch exist and will assume it was her. Also if someone gave it to her, maybe, the rain made it difficult for her to detail who really was and she choose to believe the instructions.
Well, this is not a deep look into things, but those are small theories of how things may have happened.